31 Oct 2008

Bispo Basilio haluhan tiha ona demo Igreja 2005?

Read English below...
Ermera Blogspot (http://ermera.blogspot.com/) hatun notísia ida kona-ba Igreja Katólika nia krítika hasoru planu ba Marcha da Paz ne'ebé movimentu FRETILIN iha planu atu hala'o. Tuir Ermera Blogspot, Bispo Baucau deklara iha Timor Post (29/10) hodi halo apelu ba polítiku sira hotu-hotu, "principalmente Fretilin" atu labele hanorin povu kona-ba Marcha da Paz. Arsenio Paixão Bano, foin-sa'e ne'ebé agora tutela kargu vise-prezidente movimentu istóriku ne'e hatán ba Bispo Basilio nia liafuan hodi dehan, di'ak liu igreja lalika mete iha polítika. Ermera Blogspot interpreta Bano nia liafuan ne'e hanesan "dehan Igreja nonook hanesan halo iha 2005".

Se ita fila fali karik ba 2005, Igreja lakon hotu ona ninia autoridade atu komenta kona-ba manifestasaun polítika ruma, ne'ebé organizasaun polítika ida hakarak halo. La'ós tanba ida ne'e la'ós papél igreja nian, maibé tanba iha 2005 Igreja hatudu ninia intensaun atu provoka instabilidade hodi alkansa ninia objetivu polítiku.

Bispo Basilio haluhan tiha ona demonstrasaun ne'ebé Igreja organiza iha 2005? Igreja organiza manifestasaun ida ne'ebé buka duni atu provoka instabilidade. Igreja iha planu atu lori hotu sarani sira iha Timor-Leste laran tomak atu ejije Governu muda ninia polítika kona-ba hanorin relijiaun iha eskola. Ikus mai manifestasaun ne'e ejije fali demissaun Governu nian.

Iha manifestasaun ne'e, ne'ebé kolabora ho kriminozu eis-milísia sira hanesan Rui Lopes, Igreja mós haruka manifestante sira lori estátua ba hatuur iha oin. Depois manifestante sira provoka PNTL atu hetan reasaun hosi sira. Se PNTL fó reasaun, estátua sira ne'e sei monu ba rai no nakfera. Se estátua sira ne'e nakfera, entaun sei provoka reasaun violenta hosi manifestante sira. Estátua sira ne'e nakfera, talvés sarani tomak iha Timor-Leste laran sei reaje mós. Se sarani tomak iha Timor-Leste reaje hasoru ida ne'e, entaun Igreja nia intensaun atu hamonu Governu bele materializa. Se Governu monu, Igreja hatudu ninia forsa ba polítiku sira seluk ne'ebé sei kaer governu. Igreja bele ezerse forsa maka'as liu tan iha sosiedade Timor-Leste nian no halo Estado hanesan Igreja nia "pau mandado", hanesan Taleban iha Afghanistan ka Mullah sira iha Iran.

Manifestante sira mós reza daudauk maibé hakilar daudauk ho liafuan tolok hasoru ema hotu-hotu ne'ebé la konkorda ho ejijénsia Igreja nian. Sira reza atu bosok ema-seluk katak sira iha espiritualidade maka'as, katak Maromak hamutuk ho sira, hanesan fundamentalista Islam sira ne'ebé lori Maromak nia naran atu halo violénsia hasoru ema seluk. Maromak iha duni ema sira ne'e nia sorin? Sá Igreja ida maka iha hahalok aat hanesan ne'e?

Maibé ida ne'e la to'o. Ikus mai, Igreja haruka padre balu bá hamaus ofisiál F-FDTL sira atu halo golpe hasoru Estado. Sorte boot ba Timor-Leste atu iha netik ofisiál sira ne'ebé patriótiku no disiplinadu. Atentadu golpe hasoru Estado ne'e sai atentau falhadu.

Maibé buat ne'ebé inkrivel tebetebes maka iha 2005 Timor-Leste iha situasaun ida hakmatek no estavel, i Igreja hakarak situasaun sai piór. Investidór sira komesa tama daudaun. Turista backpacker sira komesa vizita Timor-Leste, iha Baucau, Bobonaro, Same. Maibé ida ne'e la'ós interese Igreja nian. Igreja nia interese maka oinsá nia bele kontrola Timor-Leste tomak, iha aspetu polítika, ekonómika, sosiál ho kulturál. Igreja hakarak provoka instabilidade para hamonu governu, la interesa konsekuénsia saida maka ninia sarani sira bele hetan se nasaun ne'e monu ba krize, monu ba instabilidade. Igreja tenta hamaus povu Maubere sira hosi foho para mai aumentá númeru manifestante nian, hodi lohi sira katak Governo hakarak halo lei hodi bandu existénsia relijiaun iha Timor-Leste. Manifestasaun ne'e la'o to'o semana tolu, maibé lori benefísiu ba ema ida, nein sarani sira, nein Estado. Ida ne'e hotu Ireja Katólika nia hahalok atu alkansa ninia objetivu polítiku rasik.

Agora Bispo Basilio hakarak kritika Marcha da Paz ne'ebé organizasaun polítika ida hakarak hala'o? Se Igreja Katólika hakarak fó ninia opiniaun ruma kona-ba asaun polítika ruma, ao mínimo, Igreja tenke rekonhese uluk ninia aktu sira ne'ebé nia halo iha 2005, katak aktu ne'e irresponsável no la merese atu reprezenta instituisaun ida ne'ebé profesa katak nia maka iha autoridade morál ho esprituál aas liu ema hotu-hotu iha nasaun Timor-Leste.

Hosi Ermera Blogspot http://ermera.blogspot.com/ Dom Basilio, Bispo da Diocese de Baucau critcou Fretilin sobre Marcha da Paz Dili - Numa declaração recente a Timor post (29/10), o Bispo de Baucau apelou a todos os palíticos, principalmente, a Fretilin para não ensinar demasiado o povo acerca da Paz através da "Marcha da Paz" a realizar em breve. Em resposta, o deputado e Vice-Presidente da Fretilin Arsenio Paixao Bano ao Timor post (30/10) chamou a atenção a Igreja (como fizeram em 2005, mandaram Igreja ficar calada) que pare de falar da política e não deve envolver-se na política prática criticando a Fretilin. O mesmo deputado ao STL (30/10) solicitou o Estado para demitir o actual Procurador Geral da República porque Longuinhos Monteiro era incapaz resolver os casos de corrupção no país.

English
The Ermera Blogspot reports that the Catholic Church criticized Fretilin's plan to hold the Peace March. According to Ermera Blogspot, Bishop Basilio of Baucau appealed (29/30) to all politicians, in particular Fretilin, to stop teaching the people too much about the Peace March. Arsenio Paixão Bano, the 34 year-old Fretilin vice-president responded to the Bishop's appeal saying that it is best for the Catholic Church not to get itself involved in politics. Ermera Blogspot interpreted Bano's response as meaning a call for the church to shut up "as they did in 2005". Even ff the interpretation of Bano's response were incorrect, Bano was right to make such remarks given the Church's involvement in the 2005 scandalous demonstration.

The Catholic Church of Timor-Leste lost any authority to comment on any political action by any political organisation after what it did in 2005. Not that this is the Church's role, but because in 2005 the Church showed an intention to provoke instability to achieve its own political goals at the expense of the people.

Bishop Basilio seems to have forgotten the demonstration, which the Church organised in 2005. The Church organised a public demonstration with the objective of provoking chaos to achieve its demands. The Church planned to bring down Catholics from all over the country to demand the Government change its policy on the teaching of religion at public schools. In the end the demonstration turned into a demand for the Government's resignation.

In the demonstration, which was helped by a criminal former-militia thug, Rui Lopes, the Church encouraged the demonstrators to bring statues of Virgin Mary to the frontline. Then the demonstrators provoked the police, the PNTL, for confrontation. Had the PNTL responded to the provocations, they would have to go pass the fragile statues, breaking them. If the statues were damaged or broken, this would cause the demonstrators to react violently and chaos and more violence would erupt. The Church would then use this as an argument to convince other Catholics all over the country to join the demonstration. This would weaken the Government and could force it to stand down. The Church's objectives would be realized. The Church would use the fall of the Government as an example for other politicians who dare to stand up to the Church. The Church would then gain more power over the State, keeping a tight grip on the State. The State will do whatever the Church wants just like the Taliban’s in Afghanistan or the Islamic Mullahs in Iran.

The demonstrators were praying during the demonstration but at the same time they were using all kinds of expletives, verbally abusing anyone who did not agree with their action. They prayed in an effort to fool others to think of the demonstration as a spiritual act, and that God was on their side. They were no different from the Islamic fundamentalists who committed violence and killed in the name of God. Could God really be on their side? What kind of Catholic Church would act so shamefully as this?

But, as if this weren't enough, finally the Church sent its priests on a mission to the Timorese army, the F-FDTL, to invite them to stage a coup against the State. Luck being on Timor-Leste's side, the F-FDTL officers were too patriotic and disciplined to fall for such mistake. The attempted coup failed.

The most incredible note on the 2005 demonstration is that the Church was willing to sacrifice the country and the people in order to get its demands met. Timor-Leste was peaceful and stable. Investors were slowly coming in. Backpackers were streaming into the country, to Baucau, Bobonaro and Same. But this was of no interest to the Church. The Church's interest was how to it can control Timor-Leste, politically, economically, socially and culturally. The Church wanted to provoke instability to bring down the government. It didn't care the consequences that its followers would get if the country were plunged into crisis and instability. The Church tried to encourage villagers from outside of Dili to join; to bring up the number of demonstrators, laying to them that the Government wanted to ban the existence of religion in Timor-Leste. The demonstration, which lasted nearly three weeks, brought no benefit to anyone, not the Church followers, not the State. This is all the Catholic Church's doing just to advance its own agenda.

Today Bishop Basilio is criticizing the Peace March, which a political organization is planning to hold. If the Church wants to provide its opinion on this issue, it should at least recognize and take some responsibility for its actions in 2005, that this action was irresponsible and should not have come from an institution, which claims that it has the highest moral and spiritual authority in Timor-Leste.

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

se maka hakerek ida ne, diak liu hare ba eskola tan...

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Anonymous said...

O ida hakerek iha leten ne, diak liu o loke matan hodi ajuda loke povu nia matan. Igreja Katolica Timor nian ne laos instituisaun ida atu liberta povu maibe atu halo povu sai beik tan para igreja bele explira sira.

So iha Timor mak padre sira bele fo oan ba feto sira maibe sira la toma responsabilidade. Iha Timor madre sira kabuk ho padre sira. Padre sira hola feto hosi kotuk. Padre sira duni buka provoka krize.

Se hakarak halo igreja Katolika sai buras liu tan, entaun diak liu o ajuda igreja halo nia an mos hodi sai duni SANTA Igreja ida.

Anonymous said...

Ida ne Fretilin nia dutrina....
Hanesan ne marcha da paz sei la halo duni...
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Anonymous said...

BA maun ida iha segundo comentario nee!!, hau hakarak hatete det katak: hau mos membro commite central Fretelin nian e maun nia liafuan nee la hatudu ktk maun nee Fretelin maibe Mari Alkatiri nai atan, ami hari partido ho intensaun atu ukun ann i durante tempo naruk cammarada barak mak lakon sira nia vida ( laos husi parte ita nia partido det) maibe quase Timor oan hotu lakon sira nia familia! i iha 1999 padre ho madre barak mos lakon sira nia vida hodi defende ita nia povo i ita nia independencia. se karik padre sira iha oan, nee sala ida ba sira, maibe maun mos tenki hatene ktk sira mos ema normal hanesan ita, i ema hotu2 halo sala!! maun hau hatane ktk hau ho o nia partido nee ( fretelin ) mai husi linha esquerda katak Marxista (comunista) maibe atu hanoin hanesan maun nian nee so Muslumano ou ema ida k iha religiaun seluk ou eis milisia sira. ita bele la gosta parte ida ka parte seluk i ita bele kritika se det mak ita hakarak mas pelomenos hatudu ita nia valor hanesan ema, atu hatete at ou insulta instituisaun ida hanesan igreja Timor nee maun ita tenki hanoin dala atus ida lai, tanba tuir hau nia hanoin igreja Timor halo buat barak liu durante 24 anos ba Timor nia independencia nee duke ita nia camarrada balun nebe halo osan no moris diak iha maputo neba durante luta nee!! laos atu kritika Fretelin, hau hanoin hau hadomi Fretelin liu fali ita karik, hau nia aman mate tanbA FRETELIN maibe atu hatete at igreja tanba det problema marcha da paz nee, hau hanoin ita sala ona!! nee duni maun sai fretelin laos atu sai ema ida nia atan, maibe atu defende Fretelin nia objectivo nudar partido ida ke atu lori Timor ba oin. laos atu lakon tempo tuir/rona det ita nia camarrada bot sira nia ordem! atu nune sira bele hetan buat seda mak sira hakarak!! nee duni maun ita tenki hamrik hanesan fretelin i Timor oan ida ke diak i forte atu defende buat nebe diak ba ita nia rai.
VIGILANCIA MAXIMA, TOLERANCIA TOTAL.
VIVA FRETELIN.

Anonymous said...

Hau aceita ho irmao iha leten, ita tengke cuidado tamba agora dadaun ne iha ema barak ke dehan nia ema FRETILIN maibe so para atu estraga feretilin nia naran hodi halo comentario ho "BEIKTEN HO TOLOK" iha blog sira ne hodi estraga fretilin nia naran.
Se ita boot simpatesante fretilin duni ita boot hatene katak, fretilin la hanorin ita atu sai mal educado, maibe tengke simu ema hotu nia critica e buka para atu halo diak liu tan ba ita nia partido iha futuro.

Hau hakarak hateten tan, labele nega igreja nia favor ba ita nia independencia.
Hau uluk lao hamutu e estafeta ba camarada LU-OLO e hau hateten ba imi hotu dala barak camarada lu - olo ba subar e hela iha residencia paroquia ossu hodi para halao ita nia funu. se la fiar karik husu rasik ba camarada lu - olo.


Soibada

Anonymous said...

Defini Fretilin

Fretilin= (frente revolucionario de Timor Leste independente)

Frente= hamrik iha oin, tuba rain metin hanesan manu aman maubere ida nebe barani atu tun iha manu futu fatin atu halo mehi ukun rasik an sai hanesan realidade ida nebe nabilan wainhira hateke husi foho ramelau hanesan loromatan dadersan nian. Klibur nebe aswain nacionalista sira hamutuk. Uma lulik ba aswain ukun rasik an sira atu halibur malu ba, atu nunee bele hasai ukun kolonialista sira nia husi rai Timor Leste.

Revolucionario= hakarak halo mehi ukun rasik an nee realidade dunik iha tempo badak nian. Tamba lalika tan husu ba atan maubere sei karik nia hakarak ukun rasik nia an husi kolonialismo nia okos. Depois de 400 anos labele tan hatun povo maubere ho husu ba nia se nia hakarak ukun rasik an. Orbainhira mak ita ema bele husu ba escravo ida se karik nia hakarak livre ka lae, se wainhira nia hare ona nabilan liberdade nia iha tena nia oin no chave atu sobu korente nebe kesi tena nia liman iha tena nia liman laran.

De Timor Leste Independente= nia fim ba luta ema nacionalista nebe haksoruk hamutuk iha FRENTE nia okos mak nee UM TIMOR LESTE INDEPENDENTE. Ideia principal husi Ukun Rasik An mak nee. Mehi nebe halo mosu funu Manufahi mak nee. Ukun Rasik An. No hakarak atu hatudu manu aman maubere nia tara nebe manan iha futu fatin mak nee UKUn Rasik an. No sentimento haksolok iha klamar ema timor oan nacionalista nian mak nee dunik.

Fretilin Laos komunismo, muito menos facista hanesan o nia ulun fatuk beikten nee hanoin.

FRETILIN= Movimento nacionalista nebe harii husi ema timor oan nebe komunga ba ideia atu liberta nia rain husi ukun rai kolonialista sira nia okos!!!

Fretilin hanesan mane bonito ida nebe hamrik ho hatudu nia aten barani ho nia hirus matan, laran boot, tuba rai metin ba nia principio atu la sees ba mai hodi hamrik iha campo da batalha luta ba ukun rasik an, to fakar nia ran hanesan manu aman mean iha manu futu fatin, hodi too ikus nia povo maubere foti ba leten ho nia vitoria mak Ukun rasik an. No nia vitoria nee mak oferece ba ninia eterno amor, no nia princesa: povo Maubere iha Uma Lulik Timor Leste!!!!

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UDT (uniao democratico)= Klibur husi facista no malae restu sira nebe ho politika aikakeu no conservador atu mantem ukun kolonialista nian ho kurtina mak federasaun no depois integrasaun. Tamba iha momento neba hakarak defende status quo hamutuk ho malae kolonialista sira atu nunee sobu ideia ukun rasik an nian. Kumpulan kaum elit facista Salazar nian nebe hanoin kala ras mutin nee mak matenek liu, hatene liu, as liu, ka religiaun ocidental nian nee mak los liu no lori liu ba lalehan.

Se o hakarak hatene liafuan facismo nee oinsa entaun nia difinisaun mak hau fo iha leten ho factos sira iha leten.

Imi UDT nee uluk hakarak ba lambe malae portugues nia kidun kuak tamba dehan mutin nee mak morin liu..hahahaha..nunee imi sai ho imi nia manifesto transisi ba ukun rasik an iha portugal nia okos hanesan kurtina ida atu bosok timor oan sira.

Maibe hanesan feto puta ida nebe portugues rasik lakohi atu bomba, imi ba fan an ba javanes indonesia sira ho imi politika aikakeu no putaria, hodi ses husi federasaun ho Portugal ba Integrasi ho Indonesia.

Halo komparasaun ida karik hanesan nee: see APODETI nee hanesan pengantin diak ida ba Indonesia no hakarak sai feto ran ida nebe hakarak kaben ho Indonesia secara terhormat....
Imi nee lae...imi nee hanesan puta ida nebe fo ba malae atu bomba mos lakohi ona tamba dois demais ona..nunee ba oferece imi nia an gratis deit ba bapa sira atu bomba too baruk hodi halo an liu fali pengantin baru no terhormat ka ho honra ida naran APODETI nee...hhahahahaha. Kompara Apodeti ho imi Apodeti se diak liu. Hanesan ita ema labele kompara feto ran bonita ida ho feto puta kaikoli ida.
Maibe ho imi nia natureza ida putaria nee to ikus ukun rasik an ona imi hakarak mai oferece an ba hitam manis ida naran Fretilin nee atu bomba imi mas..sorry aja deh..puta sira mak la pake dunik.hahahahahaee

Frente Bonito

Anonymous said...

hau contente ho maun nia comentario iha leten. Uma creda: hau mos akui ho resistencia nebe igreja halo'o to Timor hetan independecia. Tamba saida crize 2006 timor oan sira tetak,oho malu tun sae nusa mak sira (Padre ho Madre)la ba hapara, tu'ur mak kokotek iha fatin deit(hapara violencia)ida ne'e mak lalaok jesus cristo nian k!

viva la vida siempre

Anonymous said...

maun ida leten bulak ona karik!
momento crise maun iha timor ka lae?
maun hatete padre ho madre tur iha fatin mak kokotek det...
be padre Muzinho ita nia belun sira husi lorosae tiru iha quintal boot durante padre ba ajuda polisia kanek sira nee! maun rona ka lae?
sira tiru iha padre nia kotuk i ba borus iha kabas i kuase mate nee! maun hatene ka lae?
keta maun mak tiru karik i vinji la hatene tia!
maun keta uluk milisia karik!
atu kritika nee maun buka uluk lai evidencia i rasaun ida ke forte, laos arbiru det selai ema dehan ita bulak...
ATE JA DET MAUN!