Foin daudauk hau sasin notisia ida iha TVTL. Hau ladun rona konteudu notisia ne maibe hau haree mak grafiku e halo hau hakfodak. Iha tempu ukun rasik an, ema balu kontinua ho hahalok kolonialista e feudalista. Iha PR Horta nia enkontru ida, katuas sira halo formatura atu ba rei ninia liman.
Ida ne ita hare momos iha tempu Suharto nian no mos tempu kolonial portuguesa nian. Povu kik sira ba rei malae bot sira nia liman hanesan simbolu ida atu haraik sira nia an to rai - katak sira ne la vale buat ida. Ne hahalok ida sistema feudalista nian nebe buka fahe sosiedade ba kasta liurai ho kasta reinu, atu nune liurai sira bele kontrola ho kontinua eksplora nafatin reinu sira. Tempu ida tuir lolos hotu ona ho revolusaun iha 1974 tamba Timor oan tomak hakarak harii sosiedade foun nebe ema hotu-hotu hanesan, laiha tan liurai, laiha tan atan. PR Ramos-Horta mos hola parte hotu iha revolusaun ida ne hodi introdus no hamosu liafuan Maubere - atu dehan ba mundu tomak katak Povu Maubere Sei La Sai Atan Tan!!! Ohin loron PR Ramos-Horta haluhan ona ninia liafuan ida ne. Tansa? Karik PR Horta hakarak hakiak fali sistema kolonial ida ne iha sosiedade foun? Sosiedade ida hanesan ne mak Povu Maubere hakarak?
Maluk sira bele dehan katak ida ne kultura Timor nian. Maibe ida ne mos kultura ida ita hakarak muda no ita tenki muda. Ita hakarak harii sosiedade foun ida. Iha sosiedade ne Timor oan hotu-hotu hanesan, laiha liurai, laiha atan. Ita hakarak Povu Maubere hamrik ho konfiansa makas ba ninia an katak nia mos hanesan ho ema seluk.
PR Horta hamrik iha neba no ita bele hare katak nia senti kontenti wainhira Maubere sira mai rei ninia liman. Ita bele hare iha PR Horta nia matan katak nia halo esforsu oan ida atu see ninia liman, atu halo ninia liman mamar atu Maubere sira rei nia liman. Nia hakarak hatudu ba ema hotu katak iha Timor ne nia mak liurai. Ida ne duni mak hahalok kolonialista nian, hahalok feudalista. Karik Maubere sira nebe rei PR Horta nia liman ne, sente iha sira nia ulun se sira rei hela Timor oan ida nia liman ka malae bot ida nia liman?
Hahalok sira hanesan PR Horta hatudu ne hahalok tempu antigu kolonial nian no la refleta ho kultura foun nebe ita hakarak harii iha Timor-Leste. Revolusaun iha 1974 mosu atu dudu ita harii fali sosiedade foun ida no kultura foun ida nebe bazea iha solidaridade ho igualdade.
Viva Povo Maubere!!!
Abaixo Colonialismo!!!
Abaixo Feudalismo!!!
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This argument is too weak!
....Anin
BARATU LIU
.clamar
nia maka Jesus Ramos Horta
Belun nebe mak hakerek artigu kona ba feudalismo, colonialismu nebe liga ba asuntu Maubere oan hodi hare ba hahalok ita nia presidente wainhira halo viagem ruma ba distritu nebe hetan antensaun bo'ot husi povu sira iha area rural to ema hakarak mos rei nia liman hanesan malae bo'ot ida.
Hau lahatane maluk ida hakerek iha blogu ne'e ninia interpretasaun ba hahalok rei liman liga ba asuntu colonialismu ne'e mak saida?. Hau lahare buat foun ida iha ne'e husi aspeitu kolonialismu nian. Buat ida mak ita tengki hanai no hahi'i iha kultura Timor nian katak respeita malu hodi hatudu ita nia civilizadu ba ema seluk. Iha kestaun ne'e hau fo ijemplu kik deit e liga ba ita nia kultura ne'e rasik. Se ita bo'ot ida nebe hakerek opiniaun ne'e ninia tiun maske iha idade hanesan ho ita nia ba vizita ita nia uma, saida mak ita halo ba nia...........Konserteza uluknanain ita fo ita nia onra bo'ot ba nia hodi komprimenta e hakuak no rei nia liman.
So........ida ne'e laos tipu colonialismu hanesan saida mak ita dehan...........Maibe ida ne'e mak Timor nia kultura hodi respeita ema seluk. Buat ida tan mak hau hakarak dehan ba ita.........kultura rei liman ne'e tuir ema timor nia fiar katak ida ne'e mak sinal nia domin ba ema ne'e. Liu husi rei liman ne'e mos ema hakarak hatudu ninia solidariade no respeita bo'ot ba ema ne'e. Ita labele halo analiza ida tamba deit ita lagosta hodi hateten katak ne'e so colonialismu nia hahalok........Colonialismu nia hahalok nebe mak oras ne'e sei tuba metin hela iha ita nia rain mak ita hakarak deit tuir ema ida nia hakarak hodi hateten at ema seluk hodi lakohi valoriza ema seluk nia sakrifisiu durante okupasaun no hahalok ne'e kuntinua nafatin to agora hodi hakarak domina nafatin area sira ne'e no lakohi simu lakon. Colonialismu ida hanesan ne'e ita hanaran colonialismu kuda cavalo. Colonialismu kuda cavalo ne'e kolonialismu ho tipu provokasaun no agitasaun ba ema seluk hodi lakohi simu sistema ida nebe mak ukun tamba nia fiar nia an katak nia deit mak bele ukun hodi hatudu nia an katak nia mak matenek liu.
Maluk nebe mak hakerek artigu ne'e, ho respeita bo'ot ba ita hau hakarak ita, hau, sira no ema timor sira komesa halo komparasaun ho ideas nebe mak furak saida mak kolonialismu no saida mak kultura respeita ema seluk. Iha termus ne'e hau atu dehan deit katak ita lakohi halo konfuzaun tun sae....saida mak kultura respeita nian husik ba ne'e kultura nian e labele kahur fali ho colonialismu.
Espera ita bele simu hau nia sugestaun ne'e
Susesu nafatin ba ita bo'ot
Mundu Perdido
Ita bo'ot nia argumentasaun atu argumenta kolonialismo, feodalismo iha ita bo'ot nia artikel ne'e laiha baze sientifika, tamba feodalismo no kolonialismo ninia prinsipiu laiha ida maka ita bo'ot argumenta lolos! Mas hau'u mos aseita ho maluk balun hakerek konaba kultura ita timor oan ne'ebe rein liman ka hakuak ema ne'ebe idade bo'ot liu ita ga hanesan abo ne'e maka kultura fundamental ba Povu Maubere.
Karik ita bo'ot tenki hala'o ruma research konaba kultura Timor ne'e maka foin argumenta labele hakerek buat ida sem iha baze de informasaun!!
Lero Uatimissa
Hahaaaaaaaaa...........irmaun Lero Uatimissa, ita bo'ot hatene katak atu apresenta faktus nebe tuir analiza sientifika nian laos fasil hanesan ema dehan karik tak semudah membalikan telapak tangan. Mais hau kontenti ita bele halo debates ho hau hanesan ema matenek ida. hau lakohi apresenta buat barak ba ita, maibe reflesaun husi ita nia historia sai lisaun ida ba ita atu hateten no hanorin nafatin katak ita sei adopta nafatin sistema kolonialismu iha ita nia an, maske ita rasik lahetan lolos termus de kolonialismu puro.Matenek komtemporer Louis Harrtz, nia laos ema amerikanu iha ninia livru kona ba liberalismu iha amerika, nia dehan katak liberalismu iha amerika ne’e mosu iha presepsaun media nian deit. Liberalismu la ho esforsu ba libertasaun nian. Liberalismu la ho revolusaun no la ho feudalismu. tan ne'e tuir nia dehan ema Amerikanu kuandu koalia freedom sira rasik mos la kumpriende saida mak freedom ne'e. tan ne'e kuadu hakarak analiza sientifica hanesan hau dehan, presiza tempu atu debates, tamba ita bo'ot ho hau nia konseiptu ba ideas ne'e parese sei lahanesan.
Kona ba kultura ema Timor nain ne'e hau lapresiza atu halo garganta tan iha ne'e. Realidade no faktus nebe hatudu ba ita katak konseiptu no faktus hodi respeita entre ema Timor ne'e iha tiha ona desde uluk. Se ita bo'ot senti ofendido ou keta hau mak menus imformasaun ruma kona ba kultura ne'e rasik ho haraik an hau husu ita bo'ot atu mos bele halo analiza profunda ida molok atu halo komparasaun saida mak kultura no saida mak kolonialismu. Hau senti rua ne'e iha diferensia uitoan. Karik kulturisasi ne'e mak to ikus hamosu kultura mistura ne'e mak halo imi hare'e hahalok ne'e mos parte husi tipu de kolonialismu, hau senti favor bo'ot ida lee barak liu tan molok atu halo argumentu iha ne'e ho dun matak deit ba ema.
Wyh beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?.
Calma uitoan Primu Lero Uatimissa
Mundu Perdido
Rai politikus hanesan Horta nia liman mak lae duni.....
ba ita mak lae mas ba ferik katuas sira iha foho sa Ramos mak diak liu ona!!
what the F*** is wrong with you guys!!!???!!!
when Lu-Olo went to Viqueque every single person kissed his hand, and when Xavier do Amaral step his foot on Aileu every single person kissed his hand..when Alkatiri went to Baucau every one kissed his hand..! No one say shit about it..but when somebody kissed Ramos hand's, you say it's an act of colonialism and feudalism! isn't it the same?
damn man! it is just a fact of life: "think before you write"..!
have a nice day..!
kadalak.
Never seen in public or TVTL that "everyone" as you said kissed Lu-Olo's hand when he went to Viqueque, "every single person" kissed Xavier do Amaral's hand in Aileu and Alkatiri in Baucau.
it never seen in public or TVTL or whatever, it doesn't mean that such a thing never happened...
In the first government when Alkatiri was prime minister, Lu-olo was the president of parliament, when they went around the country to do the "governasaun aberta" or whatever is that, every people in country side that they were visit line up from the kids to the oldest to welcomed them with traditional dancing, line of the old cavalry, kissed their hand and even prop them up in their shoulder. for Xavier it's a litle bit different because he always been respected by the people of Aileu as King.
are this too an act of colonialism and feudalism or not? beacause I can't see the differencesw.
so, my friend! what the fuck is the differnce between what the people do to Horta and to the other leaders?
have a good day
Ida nee hotu sei akontese tamba lia fuan ema boot ,ema kiik oh nina konotasaun servilista.
Dear colleguess from kadalak up to the end please read what I have written above,that kiss hands of people who are considered as our parents, grandfather or mother or what ever, do not politicized in colonialism term but it is a part of Timorese common culture that has been existing for hundreds of years. even I my self, also kissed my grand father's hands once I back home but I never felt something worst with me!!!
Lero Uatumissa
You kissed your father or grand mother is different when you kissed a politician like Ramos Horta. Would you kiss his hand???
Kissing in non-Western cultures
Some literatures suggest that a non-trivial percentage of humanity does not kiss.[14]
In Sub Saharan African, Asiatic, Polynesian and possibly in some Native American cultures, kissing was relatively unimportant until European and Western colonization.[15]
With the Andamanese, kissing was only used as a sign of affection towards children and had no sexual undertones.[16]
Kissing in traditional Islamic cultures is not accepted between two members of the opposite sex who are not married or closely related by blood or marriage. More liberal-minded societies, such as that of Lebanon or Egypt, allow such kisses as greetings; more secular-minded individuals living in more traditional societies may have a similar view. Kisses on the cheek are a very common form of greeting among members of the same sex in most Islamic countries, following the Mediterranean pattern.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss
Kissing in religion
This section does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed. (April 2009)
This woodcut of the practice of kissing the Pope's toe is from Passionary of the Christ and Antichrist by Cranach.
Muslims may kiss the Black Stone during Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca).
In Ancient Rome and some modern Pagan beliefs, worshipers when passing the statue or image of a god or goddess will kiss their hand and wave it towards the deity (adoration).
In the gospels of Matthew and Mark (Luke and John omit this) Judas betrayed Jesus with a kiss—an instance of a kiss intertwined with betrayal. This is the basis of the term 'the kiss of Judas'
The holy kiss or kiss of peace is a traditional part of most Christian liturgies, though usually replaced with an embrace or handshake today in Western cultures
The Pope will kiss the ground on arrival to a new country.
Visitors to the Pope traditionally kiss his foot. (The ring of a cardinal or bishop, hand of a priest.)
Jews will kiss the Western wall of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, and other religious articles during prayer such as the Torah, usually by touching their hand, Tallis, or Siddur (prayerbook) to the Torah and then kissing it. Jewish law prohibits kissing members of the opposite sex, except for certain close relatives. See Negiah.
Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Christians often kiss the icons around the church as entering, they will also kiss the cross and / or the priests hand in certain other customs in the Church, such as confession or receiving a blessing.
Catholics will kiss rosary beads as a part of prayer, or kiss their hand after making the sign of the cross. It is also common to kiss the wounds on a crucifix, or any other image of Christ's Passion.
Hindus sometimes kiss the ground of a temple.
Local lore in Ireland suggests that kissing the Blarney Stone leads to good luck.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss
South East Asia
Cheek kissing is extremely uncommon in South East Asia, especially in countries with predominantly Muslim or Hindu cultures. It is due to this reason that kissing between men and women is not a socially acceptable way of greeting and may be considered offensive. Also South East Asian men might be uncomfortable while greeting a European woman in this manner due to this cultural practice.
There are two major exceptions. In Macau, very few of the residents are of Portuguese descent, and thus cheek kissing is popular in most situations as in Portugal among themselves. In the Philippines, cheek kissing is a common greeting. It is a cheek-to-cheek kiss, not lips-to-cheek. This custom originated during the long Spanish rule, which explains why the Spanish word beso (kiss) is the Filipino term for this greeting.
In certain communities in Indonesia, notably the Manado or Minahasa people, kissing on the cheeks (twice) is normal among relatives, including males.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheek_kissing
ACCORDING TO "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand-kissing -- THE HAND-KISS ORIGINATED IN THE SPANISH COURT CEREMONIES OF THE 17/18TH CENTURY AND BECOME COMMON PRACTICE IN EUROPEAN UPPER CLASS IN THE 18th and 19th CENTURY."
So, maluk sira, hand-kiss is NOT Timorese (Asian) culture. We only copied European tradition.
Please read the history:
History
The gesture was common in European upper class throughout the 18th and 19th century. It started to disappear in the 20th century. It is very uncommon today in Northern European countries.
In its modern form, a man kissing the hand of a woman, the hand-kiss originated in the Spanish court ceremonies of the 17th/18th century and became common practice in European upper class in the 18th and 19th century.
The gesture probably originated as a formal submission or plead of allegiance of man to man. The man would show his submission by kissing the signet ring (a form of seal worn as a jewelry ring), the symbol of authority of the dominant person.
Yes, in terms of sciences and histories of those countries you make as an example that would be putting in place as you only stand of different political opinion towards this point, but again am not looking at that scientific matter, as a Timorese am firmly defending the culture of Maubere people that has been existing before the colonilization. Kissing an old man's hands is a part of Maubere's culture, so I would like to attest that kissing Ramos Horta's hand is because he's considered as a president of republic on side and the other side is an old man. But if Ramos horta's hands is kissed by JAG, Lasama, or MA, LUOLO that would be different history.
Have a nice enjoy
LU
"In Sub Saharan African, Asiatic, Polynesian and possibly in some Native American cultures, kissing was relatively unimportant until European and Western colonization.[15]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss
"In its modern form, a man kissing the hand of a woman, the hand-kiss originated in the Spanish court ceremonies of the 17th/18th century and became common practice in European upper class in the 18th and 19th century." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand-kissing
"Also South East Asian men might be uncomfortable while greeting a European woman in this manner due to this cultural practice. There are two major exceptions. In Macau, very few of the residents are of Portuguese descent, and thus cheek kissing is popular in most situations as in Portugal among themselves." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheek_kissing
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Sani hakerek sira iha leten, hatudu katak molok ema Europe mai ukun ita, karik ita nia beiala sira iha cara seluk bainhira sira cumprementa malu. Karik ita nia tradisaun lolos oinsa cumprementa malu sei existe maibe ita mak la nota ou tamba lakon tiha ona.
Ho opotunidade hanesan ne'e ita nudar Timor Oan hotu nia responsabilidade atu halo peskija hodi ke'e ou investiga ita nia culutura lolos. Iha buat barak mak lakon ona iha ita nia sosiadade, inkliu dialectus Timor nian balun, fiar Animisme, dansa no hananu Timor nian ne'ebe foin sae sira barak haluha ona nomos selu-seluk tan ne'ebe la consegue temi iha ne'e.
Se lae iha tinan atus (100 ka 200) oin mai ita nia be oan sira sei hanoin katak Timor nia lian lolos maka Portugues duni, lian seluk la iha ona. Timor nia hatais lolos maka jas ho garvata, Tais la iha ona. Timor nia hahan lolos mak paun ho keju. Timor nia fiar lolos hori uluk kedas maka cristaun/islam, dst.... to'o buat hotu ne'ebe ita nian lolos lakon hotu tiha depois ita claim ema/rai seluk nian sai ita nian fali!!
Timor Oan
Kuando la kompreide kolonialista, ka feodalista lalika fo komentario ida, atu rei'n liman ka la rei'n liman ne'e praktika ak silvizasaun ema idak2 nia, husi avo kedas hanorin katak ita tenki respeita inan ka aman ho nain ulun sira tan ne'e mak ita ona sira rei'n aman no inan ka nain ulun sira hanesan fo ita nia respeita ba sira, mais kuando ita la halo mos ida ne'e la obriga ida. Ita dala ruma rona ka kuandu ita la rei'n liman iha sansaun ruma ba ita ka lae ? ida hanesan konsienia emaidak idak nia, kuando obriga mak ita la simyu karik bele sai ba problema ida ne'e lae, keta ita bot laran moras tamba ema la rei'n ita bot nia liman karik ?
Diskusaun ne'e menarik liu. Nudar ema ida ne'ebe la hatene saida mak kolonialista ho feudalista, karik ba Comentario Anonymous 3:54 PM, bele esplika klean liu tan saida mak hahalok kolonialista, ka feodalista tamba ita bo'ot hatene liu. Obrigado
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